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		<title>By: شات</title>
		<link>http://www.azarask.in/blog/post/new-tab-iterations/#comment-6540</link>
		<dc:creator>شات</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>vere nnice&#62;&#62;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vere nnice&gt;&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://www.azarask.in/blog/post/new-tab-iterations/#comment-5448</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMHO, that new tab iteration on the post seems very weird and non-intuitive. When I look at a page, I look at the center. The center seems to be one big blank space, with all the content on the edges. May I suggest:
1. Website thumbnails in the middle, the focus of attention, users shouldn't have to actively look for them, it should be right in front of them
2. Search bar at the top or bottom
3. Drop down menu (containing previously closed tabs) with a button next to it saying "reopen tab"; positioned at left

Why shouldn't there be any configuration for this? I personally think it would be very very awesome if this new tab iteration was made up of modules that can be added and rearraged. Something like a toolbar: drag and drop controls into it and rearrange. I chose FF because of the extensive customization available to do whatever I want, and I don't think you should compromise on that. At the very least, let me pin websites.

I would've thought that it make more sense that the titles of the websites were below or above the thumbnail, not to the left.

I know all these new things can add weight to the iteration and make it load slower, but a button, a search bar and a few thumbnails is far too little IMHO. And I really don't think you should compromise on customizability; that's what FF is all about. Hope all my suggestions helped =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMHO, that new tab iteration on the post seems very weird and non-intuitive. When I look at a page, I look at the center. The center seems to be one big blank space, with all the content on the edges. May I suggest:<br />
1. Website thumbnails in the middle, the focus of attention, users shouldn&#8217;t have to actively look for them, it should be right in front of them<br />
2. Search bar at the top or bottom<br />
3. Drop down menu (containing previously closed tabs) with a button next to it saying &#8220;reopen tab&#8221;; positioned at left</p>
<p>Why shouldn&#8217;t there be any configuration for this? I personally think it would be very very awesome if this new tab iteration was made up of modules that can be added and rearraged. Something like a toolbar: drag and drop controls into it and rearrange. I chose FF because of the extensive customization available to do whatever I want, and I don&#8217;t think you should compromise on that. At the very least, let me pin websites.</p>
<p>I would&#8217;ve thought that it make more sense that the titles of the websites were below or above the thumbnail, not to the left.</p>
<p>I know all these new things can add weight to the iteration and make it load slower, but a button, a search bar and a few thumbnails is far too little IMHO. And I really don&#8217;t think you should compromise on customizability; that&#8217;s what FF is all about. Hope all my suggestions helped =)</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://www.azarask.in/blog/post/new-tab-iterations/#comment-4921</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"You recently closed that tab ___ ... Undo" seems a little confusing: Undo what? I think "Reopen" or something would make more sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You recently closed that tab ___ &#8230; Undo&#8221; seems a little confusing: Undo what? I think &#8220;Reopen&#8221; or something would make more sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank J.</title>
		<link>http://www.azarask.in/blog/post/new-tab-iterations/#comment-4897</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice...
in the 0,030 version is the empty bar done for the list version, but not for the thumbnail view (which I like actually more) :(
thanks
and the mapping of stuff is nice</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice&#8230;<br />
in the 0,030 version is the empty bar done for the list version, but not for the thumbnail view (which I like actually more) :(<br />
thanks<br />
and the mapping of stuff is nice</p>
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		<title>By: Frank J.</title>
		<link>http://www.azarask.in/blog/post/new-tab-iterations/#comment-4873</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
as my comment on the labs site got lost, I ll try again here...
first of all nice concept...
four things:
a.) if I open a new tab to open a website I now have to press crtl+t for the new tab and the crtl+a to select all, because if I just start typing I still have this chrome:// stuff around and it will fail... So please give us an option to have an empty awesomebar or at least the chrome:// stuff selected so there is no need to get over to the mouse or press crtl+a
b.) there is a problem with the preview because
some bloody pages (like tagespiegel.de) have popup-ads which are usually blocked but here (with the new tab) they aren't so I always get an annoying ad when I open a new tab and tagespiegel.de is in my history...
c.) I would love to have my all time favourites rather than sessionbased (maybe option based)...
because if I open a new tab at the beginning of a session its no rather useless, even if it could know where I want to go because I allways do ;)
d.) is select an url and open a new tab is supposed to be working? it isnt for me
Nevertheless really nice work...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
as my comment on the labs site got lost, I ll try again here&#8230;<br />
first of all nice concept&#8230;<br />
four things:<br />
a.) if I open a new tab to open a website I now have to press crtl+t for the new tab and the crtl+a to select all, because if I just start typing I still have this chrome:// stuff around and it will fail&#8230; So please give us an option to have an empty awesomebar or at least the chrome:// stuff selected so there is no need to get over to the mouse or press crtl+a<br />
b.) there is a problem with the preview because<br />
some bloody pages (like tagespiegel.de) have popup-ads which are usually blocked but here (with the new tab) they aren&#8217;t so I always get an annoying ad when I open a new tab and tagespiegel.de is in my history&#8230;<br />
c.) I would love to have my all time favourites rather than sessionbased (maybe option based)&#8230;<br />
because if I open a new tab at the beginning of a session its no rather useless, even if it could know where I want to go because I allways do ;)<br />
d.) is select an url and open a new tab is supposed to be working? it isnt for me<br />
Nevertheless really nice work&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Ganchev</title>
		<link>http://www.azarask.in/blog/post/new-tab-iterations/#comment-4848</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Ganchev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 07:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Didn't mean to close that Foo tab? Undo!" -&#62; "Reopen tab 'Foo'"

I guess that the reopen action should stay because it is more discoverable than the menu item "History" -&#62; "Recently closed tabs".

I agree with Ami: a very common use case is when you want to open a tab with the same history as an existing tab. It is probably more common than searching for a word in a new tab. IE solves this problem elegantly; I think I would prefer that to the proposed design.

As a compromise, the previous tab's content can be one of the context items shown in the new tab, and when it is opened it can contain the history of the old tab.

If you have context-sensitive content, it should be according to the text selected before opening the new tab, as well as the text typed in the Awesome Bar. As you type in the Awesome Bar, the results should replace the initial contents of the window.  (The downside of this is when you want to see a long list of pages matching your Awesome Bar query but want a small window.) They should appear after some delay to avoid slowing down your typing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Didn&#8217;t mean to close that Foo tab? Undo!&#8221; -&gt; &#8220;Reopen tab &#8216;Foo&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>I guess that the reopen action should stay because it is more discoverable than the menu item &#8220;History&#8221; -&gt; &#8220;Recently closed tabs&#8221;.</p>
<p>I agree with Ami: a very common use case is when you want to open a tab with the same history as an existing tab. It is probably more common than searching for a word in a new tab. IE solves this problem elegantly; I think I would prefer that to the proposed design.</p>
<p>As a compromise, the previous tab&#8217;s content can be one of the context items shown in the new tab, and when it is opened it can contain the history of the old tab.</p>
<p>If you have context-sensitive content, it should be according to the text selected before opening the new tab, as well as the text typed in the Awesome Bar. As you type in the Awesome Bar, the results should replace the initial contents of the window.  (The downside of this is when you want to see a long list of pages matching your Awesome Bar query but want a small window.) They should appear after some delay to avoid slowing down your typing.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig S</title>
		<link>http://www.azarask.in/blog/post/new-tab-iterations/#comment-4843</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 21:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked this.

I updated today from 0.18 (I think) to 0.21 or whatever this is (I forget), and the wonderful about:tab is now completely broken! You had it right with the smaller thumbnails down the right side with the RSS feeds... this new design with either the text list or the 4 large left-aligned thumbnails is uglier, slower, and ... wacker.

My biggest problem though, a MUST FIX NOW problem: Now when I create a new tab, "chrome://abouttab/content/tab.html" sits in the location bar with the cursor at the end of it, messing up whatever I was about to type in the AwesomeBar.

I'm about to uninstall this, you guys can let me know when you get it fixed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked this.</p>
<p>I updated today from 0.18 (I think) to 0.21 or whatever this is (I forget), and the wonderful about:tab is now completely broken! You had it right with the smaller thumbnails down the right side with the RSS feeds&#8230; this new design with either the text list or the 4 large left-aligned thumbnails is uglier, slower, and &#8230; wacker.</p>
<p>My biggest problem though, a MUST FIX NOW problem: Now when I create a new tab, &#8220;chrome://abouttab/content/tab.html&#8221; sits in the location bar with the cursor at the end of it, messing up whatever I was about to type in the AwesomeBar.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m about to uninstall this, you guys can let me know when you get it fixed.</p>
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		<title>By: toto</title>
		<link>http://www.azarask.in/blog/post/new-tab-iterations/#comment-4825</link>
		<dc:creator>toto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i have just test... not usefull in my opinion</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have just test&#8230; not usefull in my opinion</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Stache</title>
		<link>http://www.azarask.in/blog/post/new-tab-iterations/#comment-4811</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Stache</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 16:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice work here, so let's get to the feedback (0.0.18):

1) Prevent overlapping: A long undo-close-tab-box flows into the feed items for the top-most page. (seen after closing http://www.dpreview.com/)

2) Page title detection: something is wrong with hgweb pages, it shows titles "comm" and "mozilla" for e.g. "comm-central: pushloghtml"

3) You'll probably need to have selectable feeds. Again http://www.dpreview.com/ is a good example, it has three completely different feeds, and Ambient News always picked the wrong (as in "not main content") one. And about:tab inherited that issue.

4) Be quicker, hitting Ctrl-T and quickly typing is interfered after a couple of characters, as focus is stolen. Same for Bookmarks sidebar, focus is stolen when I hit Ctrl-T, Ctrl-B and type quickly in the sidebar search box.

5) Mentioned by robcee elsewhere: the tab page shouldn't appear in the tab's history. When something is loaded in the tab to replace the NewTab page, the Back-button should be still disabled.

Good start, now looking forward for more!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice work here, so let&#8217;s get to the feedback (0.0.18):</p>
<p>1) Prevent overlapping: A long undo-close-tab-box flows into the feed items for the top-most page. (seen after closing <a href="http://www.dpreview.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.dpreview.com/</a>)</p>
<p>2) Page title detection: something is wrong with hgweb pages, it shows titles &#8220;comm&#8221; and &#8220;mozilla&#8221; for e.g. &#8220;comm-central: pushloghtml&#8221;</p>
<p>3) You&#8217;ll probably need to have selectable feeds. Again <a href="http://www.dpreview.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.dpreview.com/</a> is a good example, it has three completely different feeds, and Ambient News always picked the wrong (as in &#8220;not main content&#8221;) one. And about:tab inherited that issue.</p>
<p>4) Be quicker, hitting Ctrl-T and quickly typing is interfered after a couple of characters, as focus is stolen. Same for Bookmarks sidebar, focus is stolen when I hit Ctrl-T, Ctrl-B and type quickly in the sidebar search box.</p>
<p>5) Mentioned by robcee elsewhere: the tab page shouldn&#8217;t appear in the tab&#8217;s history. When something is loaded in the tab to replace the NewTab page, the Back-button should be still disabled.</p>
<p>Good start, now looking forward for more!</p>
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		<title>By: David Naylor</title>
		<link>http://www.azarask.in/blog/post/new-tab-iterations/#comment-4804</link>
		<dc:creator>David Naylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd just like to suggest a layout for consideration:

Put search and undo closed tab along the top of the window.

Then have two rows with three Frecently visited sites in each. Make plenty of space above them though so it isn't all one big mess.

Stick with the idea of greyscale or perhaps 70% desaturated (30% saturated) thumbnails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d just like to suggest a layout for consideration:</p>
<p>Put search and undo closed tab along the top of the window.</p>
<p>Then have two rows with three Frecently visited sites in each. Make plenty of space above them though so it isn&#8217;t all one big mess.</p>
<p>Stick with the idea of greyscale or perhaps 70% desaturated (30% saturated) thumbnails.</p>
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